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From: deaconmike (Rep: 953)Date: 2019-11-20 15:04:02
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12146 - Part 1/20 (Rec: 0)
Can't get much more direct than this,

Q: No one else on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying aid to these investigations,
is that correct?

A: Yes.

Rep. Turner: So, you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme
to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations?

Sondland: Other than my own presumptions
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From: Faithalone (Rep: 179) reply to deaconmikeDate: 2019-11-20 15:27:11
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12148 - Part 2/20 (Rec: 0)
Yep, presumptions that when he asked Trump directly, Trump directly told him no quid pro quo. Re: Can't get much more direct than this,

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From: guidepost (Rep: 108) reply to deaconmikeDate: 2019-11-20 16:40:17
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12151 - Part 3/20 (Rec: 0)
Sondland - who donated 1 million to Trump's ceremony is Mr. Truth where as Ms. Williams and others are NoTrumpers.

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From: trendtn (Rep: 161) reply to FaithaloneDate: 2019-11-20 16:56:53
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12153 - Part 4/20 (Rec: 0)
Re: Yep, presumptions that when he asked Trump directly, Trump directly told him ...

I think we can agree Trump is a notorious liar.
That is not in doubt.

The guy lies Everytime he speaks.. 13000 lies in three years

So...if you ask a bank robber...did you rob a bank and he say no..I want nothing from that bank...nothing...should you believe him....or the people all around.. republicans...that he appointed

If you think there is any doubt now about what happened you're lying to yourself.

He did it.. they were all in on it.
He will be impeached and perhaps removed.

If the Senate fails to act the GOP Senate will be swept out

Or as lt cool vindman said
"Here.. right still matters"


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From: Faithalone (Rep: 179) reply to trendtnDate: 2019-11-20 17:11:39
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12155 - Part 5/20 (Rec: 0)
quid quo pro is a normal way of doing business for government, you do understand that don't you. The real question is did Trump do it for personal gain or for the Country, that is what has to be proved, good luck with that.

Just like Biden and his quid pro quo and his son working for Burisma and the fact that Chris Heinz: "through a spokesperson, told the Washington Post that he strongly objected to Hunter Biden and Archer taking the board seats. “Mr. Heinz strongly warned Mr. Archer that working with Burisma was unacceptable. Mr. Archer stated that he and Hunter Biden intended to pursue the opportunity as individuals, not as part of the firm,” the Post reported. “The lack of judgment in this matter was a major catalyst for Mr. Heinz ending his business relationships with Mr. Archer and Mr. Biden.”"

That is obvious quid pro quo and we all know it was, doesn't mean it is easy to prove the intent though, even though all the arrows point to Biden selling his position through his children's employment.

Same for the Clinton Foundation - obvious quid pro quo but hard to prove intent.

This is just a charade that the dems are hoping cast Trump in a bad enough light that he won't be re-elected.....that is all, BUT they are taking it to the point that they will have to send it to trial in the Senate and that will open up so many people to exposure when the witnesses and line of questioning can't be controlled.

The dems are being set up and the majority of people in this country don't care about the Trump quid pro quo, just like they don't care about the Clinton and Biden quid pro quo.






Re: Yep, presumptions that when he asked Trump directly, Trump directly told ...


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From: deaconmike (Rep: 953) reply to trendtnDate: 2019-11-20 17:30:09
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12156 - Part 6/20 (Rec: 0)
Or as lt cool vindman said
"Here.. right still matters"

Apparently that doesn't apply to Vindman
His boss above him stated he couldn't be trusted and they were concerned about
him leaking info.

As for impeachment,,,,As much as you want Trump to be thrown out of office,
on this current issue. There's no way he'll be tossed out based on a witnesses
testimony that they heard something or presumed something.
Especially since you also have several witnesses saying they never heard Trump
link the aid with investigations.

But it's obvious Trump wanted pres. Z to investigate Biden,
The problem is actually having proof he told Z he wasn't getting the aid.


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From: trendtn (Rep: 161) reply to FaithaloneDate: 2019-11-20 17:47:30
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12157 - Part 7/20 (Rec: 0)
Re: quid quo pro is a normal way of doing business for government, you do underst...

Once again...deflection...not about Biden...not about Clinton

This is about a president asking a foreign country to gin up something he could use in an election...or else.

Beyond that think about this.
If Trump is acquitted he will go right back to this same playbook...asking China...Russia. . Indonesia...anyone he wants to smear his bect opponent.
Why would he stop? He has already told us he sees nothing wrong with enlisting a foreign country

And long after he is gone...other presidents would be free then to do the same.

Is that the kind of precedent you want?

Finally this...you know where this Ukraine interfered with the us election bs started?

With Putin.
Why on Earth is Trump repeating Russian talking points?


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From: trendtn (Rep: 161) reply to deaconmikeDate: 2019-11-20 17:54:49
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12159 - Part 8/20 (Rec: 0)
Also you should not smear a veteran just because you don't like what he says

The character assassination has to stop


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From: Faithalone (Rep: 179) reply to trendtnDate: 2019-11-20 18:05:13
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12160 - Part 9/20 (Rec: 0)
So it is acceptable if a Vice President admittedly withholds aid if they don't fire the prosecutor? So you are okay with Quid Pro Quo as what Biden himself said on camera is the very definition of Quid Pro Quo? You yourself say it doesn't matter at all and was justified.

It is also okay if the Dems investigate the Republican candidate and even use foreign assistance to do it? Since you believe he is corrupt right?

So by your own admission it is okay for Trump to both investigate the other candidate if they are corrupt and it is okay to withhold aid based on it being for a legit reason.

Yes of course it the very core of what we are talking about.....lol and you know it, being a writer and all I know you see that very clearly.


You can argue about the reason Trump or Biden did it, but the fact is Trump did exactly the same thing the Dems did and that is FACT!







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From: deaconmike (Rep: 953) reply to trendtnDate: 2019-11-20 18:05:19
Forum: New Political Forum - Thread #674108801Msg #12161 - Part 10/20 (Rec: 0)
I'm not "smearing" anyone,,,
Just repeating what Morrison testified to,,
Send him an email and complain


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